The Wheel Of Fortune: How The Wheel Turns

The Wheel of Fortune tarot card looks chaotic at first glance, but the more we sit with it, the more it starts to feel like a map for real life. We’re taking a short break in April and coming back in May, and that timing couldn’t match the theme better: seasons change, cycles complete, and the wheel keeps turning whether we try to control it or not. So we slow down and read Major Arcana card 10 for what it actually is: a turning point, a reset, and an honest reminder that nothing stays fixed.

We get into the details that make this card so rich: the letters on the wheel that can be read as TARO, ROTA, TORAH, and ORAT, and why that “multiple meanings” idea mirrors how our own lives look different depending on where we stand. We also break down the alchemical symbols for mercury, sulfur, salt, and water as a practical way to talk about mind, drive, stability, and emotion, and how change isn’t just external. It happens internally too, in your nervous system, your intuition, and your sense of identity.

Then we go deeper into the parts that feel personal: the snake as the down cycle, the way renewal can feel like loss, and why people get stuck in the middle when they’re afraid of pain. We talk arrival fallacy, plateaus, and the anxiety of taking the next leap without knowing the ending. From Anubis and the theme of death and transition to memento mori and the sphinx holding a sword with restraint, we keep coming back to one question: how do we stay grounded in uncertainty without shutting down or over-fighting everything?

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April Break And What’s Next

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Welcome back to Heart on the Table. I just wanted to let you all know that for the month of April, we're just gonna be taking a step back and taking a little break away from the podcast. Um, with Miranda having her baby. I'm traveling, I'm celebrating the birthday of my one-year-old son. We just we have too much going on in April, but we will be returning in May. We're hopeful to get some podcast episodes with our guests up in May. So stay tuned. Thanks so much for listening to our last episode. If you did, on AI and AI. That's really what it was about. Today we're gonna be diving back into our series on the first the major arcana of the tarot, just to kind of I think we have plans to kind of continue that series as we're going along, but as other things get us excited or something pops up that we feel feel passionate about, we've kind of just been deviating a little bit. But today we are coming back to the tarot cards and doing the wheel of fortune. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

So looking at the wheel of fortune, it's card number 10. And there's a lot happening on this card. There are many different colors and a lot of different figures, and a giant wheel in the center. The four figures on either corner of the card are the angel, eagle, lion, and bull, which we did a little research beforehand, and that actually represents um, I can't remember what exactly the zodiac signs are. Let me find it. Yeah, me neither. It was Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius. Um, I also notice and wonder if like in the center of the wheel there's some like symbology or like symbols. Maybe I'm making up words here, but I feel like that represents the four elements. Let me see.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Is that one on the bottom definitely looks like water? The alchemical symbols are the four elements. So between the letters on the wheel of fortune are the symbols for the four elements mercury, sulfur, salt, and water. And these represent the fundamental building blocks of reality.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

And transformation and change and the hidden forces that shape events.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

There's so much more to this card than at first glance. Because okay, which ones are you talking about? The inner circle here? The inner circle, yeah. This outer circle has the T-A-R-O, which I feel like has come up before on a card. I think it was the magician. I feel like the magician had a book with those four letters on it.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Yeah, was it the uh the high priestess? I think so. It's the high priestess, right?

Decoding TARO ROTA TORAH

SPEAKER_01 4:05

Was it a scroll? Let me look. The scroll had the T-A-R-O. The High Priestess. Which at first glance kind of looks like it spells tarot if you include the T a second time. But I feel like it was it stood for something different.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

So what it says is the so the letters on the wheel, the wheel often contains letters that can be read multiple ways. Ooh, tell me. So possible interpretations, it can be tarot for tarot, rota, which is Latin for wheel, torah, divine law or wisdom. That's what it was. That's the one on the high priestess, right? Yep, that was the one. And then orat, which is Latin for speaks. Together they imply divine order, hidden knowledge, and the unfolding of fate.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Wow. It's kind of cool. That is kind of cool. Do you can you find anything about like what these other native? Like, yeah, the alternating symbols are between the T A R Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Let me look. I also before I move on, I think it's kind of cool that the letters can be read in multiple different ways on the wheel because I feel like that also speaks to this symbology. I don't know if that is a word, but it does feel right now that I've heard you say it. I'm gonna look it up today. I'm just like, what are words? Yeah, it is a word. The study or use of symbols.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

All right then.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

We're also a dictionary now on this podcast. Um, anyway, I think it's cool to be able to look at this and realize that it can be read different ways because I feel like if we're thinking about this card in terms of like different phases of life or how the wheel kind of keeps turning, it's like life is always going to be something different at any given point in time.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Yeah. It's all dependent on like your interpretation and your perspective.

Alchemy Symbols And Inner Change

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Your interpretation, your perspective, where you're at, and how you're able to interpret. Yes, I love that. Like dependent on where we're at in our life, I feel like I mean, I think the term hindsight is 2020, right? Like, we may even look back on times in our life and be able to look or connect to something vastly different than we did when we were like in it. So I like that. I do like that. Okay, and then let's see the little symbols in the middle. Mercury symbolizes mind movement and transformation. Um, in alchemy, it represents the spirit or consciousness, adaptability and fluid change, communication between realms. In the context of the card, Mercury reflects how life is constantly shifting and evolving. Sulfur represents energy, passion, and the active force of change. In alchemy, it symbolizes soul, drive and intensity, the spark that creates transformation. On the wheel, it represents the force that pushes events forward. Salt represents stability in the physical body. In alchemy, it symbolizes matter, structure, grounding. It balances the more volatile forces of mercury and sulfur in the card. It reflects the material reality we experience while the wheel turns. Water represents emotion, intuition, and the unconscious. In alchemy, it symbolizes the emotional realm, flow and adaptability, the deeper current beneath events. And on the wheel of fortune, it reminds us that change also happens internally, emotionally, and spiritually.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Which I feel like all of those are maybe themes that have shown up in other cards along the way. Yeah. Like the undercurrent and the emotion being like the water that we've seen.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Yep, the water always that we kind of see, right?

unknown 8:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

These remind me of just this little saying that I use in lifespan integration. There's this one protocol that we use where we where I, I should say, am directing clients to connect with themselves at the very beginning of their life, like at conception. And we incur. I keep saying we. Who's we? I'm the therapist. I think I feel bashful sometimes in being like, I do that. No, so I'm like, we collectively, but no, I do that. Um, but there's a a saying that I say to clients that is when I'm kind of directing them through this like imaginative, you're connecting with this cell being, your cell being. And then I'll say something like, and just notice at this stage of life that you are water, you are matter, and you are energy, and all of this still exists inside you today. And I just I love that like saying, and just kind of seeing like the elements on here just made me think of it. I like that perspective. It's a cool one.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

How often do we really sit and think about ourselves as water, matter, and energy?

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Yeah, we're like this little tiny cell. Mm-hmm. Okay, back to the symbols in between the letters. Let's see. I notice you mentioned the sphinx at the top, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:45

No.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Okay. So I'm noticing on the top of the wheel there is a sphinx holding onto a sword. There is a snake falling down, it seems, like falling down the left side of the wheel. And then there's this figure that I it has a devilish.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

I was gonna say that.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Yeah, it has like a devilish look to it. It's red, but the wheel is sitting on the figures across its back. I don't know. It looks like this little figure is kind of holding up the wheel. Um one thing I noticed too, I know when you call that like the um what do we have? We have, what is that?

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Uh lion.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

A lion, bull, angel, and eagle. Lion, bull, angel, eagle. They're all holding on to books. What does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 10:51

Probably something to do with wisdom.

The Snake And The Down Cycle

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Okay, yeah, good point. Okay, I'm gonna look up what the symbolism means behind like the snake. Okay, so the three figures moving around the wheel represent the rise, fall, and balance of life's cycles. The snake moving downward represents decline or the downward turn of the wheel.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

That's interesting because if the snake is on the left side and the wheel is going the direction the snake is facing, the wheel's actually going backwards. I know.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

That's what I was just thinking. Yeah. Which makes me wonder. So if the snake represents the downward turn of the wheel, it kind of symbolizes chaos, it symbolizes loss of power or control, or the shadow side of cycles. So where maybe in I would say a shadow side of a cycle would be where maybe we feel like we're going backwards or we're taking two steps back before we take more steps forward.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

I like that. I think too traditionally, like the serpent is symbolic of like, because the snake sheds its skin. Yeah. Just therapeutically speaking, like shedding things that aren't serving you anymore. Even if we try to hold on to them. Like things that aren't meant to be or just not meant to be.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Yeah. And while the shedding, a snake shedding its scales is a symbol, I would say, of renewal. However, in the imagery on the card, it could also feel like when we're going through renewal, like we're taking some steps backwards.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Well, and I think in terms of cycle speaking, like renewal often feels like death before it feels like new life. Thank you. Do you kind of have to like say goodbye or learn to let go of things before you're able to then see a life or a future without those things?

SPEAKER_00 13:09

I just keep thinking in my head. I I wish we could ask a snake. Like, so what does that feel like for you when you shed your skin? And like, does it feel like renewal? Does it feel like you're taking some does it feel like death? Does it feel like you're dying?

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Yeah. I think those are all good questions. I wish I wish we could answer that. I mean, what does that feel like for you? If you think about everything else though, that's cyclical that we've talked about, though like seasons and even like a period cycle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

It feels like death. It kind of does. My period just returned recently, and I'm like, holy lord. These are heavy. These are heavy periods. Um it also this also says it reminds us that a peak doesn't last forever, and every high point eventually turns.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Yeah. Which I feel like is actually something that's come up a lot in my own like therapeutic practice of like people tend to, I think, live on the surface or like live in the middle, right? Because they don't wanna Okay, here we go. They don't want to feel the the down the down cycle. They then which equally means that there is no momentum or no capacity for filling anything greater than either. They just are stuck. Yes. Stuck at this middle middle ground where you know things often have to feel bad before they feel good.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

I've told clients before, like the fact that you are able to feel pain so deeply shows me that you have the capacity to feel so deeply on the other spectrum, on the other side of the spectrum. But I think that people do tend to get stuck, and there's an element of vulnerability too in trying to achieve the high point of the next cycle, whatever that looks like. I'm just thinking about anything I've ever done in my life that has been really good for me has also come with a side of feeling really, really scary.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

Yeah, I on the topic of being stuck or feeling stuck, I feel like in my personal life there are a couple of individuals, myself included, who feel like we've reached this plateau of like, okay, well, how do I keep going? Like, where's the next step? And I think coming back to the conversation that we've had before about like the arrival fallacy. Mm-hmm of like the what's the next thing. I need to take my own advice sometimes.

Plateaus Arrival Fallacy And The Leap

SPEAKER_00 16:20

I was just thinking that for myself to be related to the conversation we were just having before we hit record. I'm like, wait, I'm kind of where I hoped to be a long time ago.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Yeah. But I said something to someone else in my life who was experiencing the same thing. Well, I was like, well, maybe, you know, instead of trying to reach for the next thing, maybe we just sit in it. It's like uncomfortable as it is to sit in it. Yeah, there's maybe nothing else for us to do. I think we're talking to ourselves. I know. We're gonna just have a conversation with ourselves in the mirror. Um the idea that you have to when you reach this plateau, what else is there to do but jump? In a metaphorical sense, take a huge risk or do something. Like I with the arrival fallacy, we don't want to take the next step forward because we don't know what the end looks like, right? Yeah. Or I feel like that was some concept to that. Sometimes we just gotta jump. Or like take the leap, or like do the thing that scares us the most because that's what's going to like push us further. That is so hard. I say that now, and I can feel all sorts of anxiety like coming to the surface. Yeah. Like, oh, well, what does that mean? What does that look like? Uh-huh. What is that choice? And then you come to the overanalyzation of like just overanalyzing the choices. Yeah. Is this the right choice? Is this not the right choice? What will this mean? Yep.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

And sometimes, oftentimes, I don't think we know what the right choice is. There's no right choice, there's no choices that teach you things. Like, people have such a tendency to get hung up on what's the right thing to do. And when I say people, I want to make it clear that I'm also a part of that group. You are a person. Yes, I am a person. I'm human. Um, but it it's just it is human to feel like what we need to know for sure. That it comes back to uncertainty that we talk about a lot in the like when we're talking about the cards and doing our episodes on the cards, because I think the uncertainty piece comes up a lot too. And we just have a really hard time tolerating uncertainty.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

I wonder if the fear behind like making mistakes is because we have this pressure as a culture and as a society that like we can't mess up, or can't we can't afford to mess up. Maybe literally and or figuratively, like there is not a lot of grace these days for choices to go awry or for you to learn lessons. Yeah. Which is hard. But it's multifaceted, I feel like.

Anubis Death And Crossing Thresholds

SPEAKER_00 19:26

I agree. Okay, moving on. The red figure is the rising side. The red creature crime. Let me try again. The red creature climbing up the wheel is usually interpreted as Anubis, the Egyptian god associated with death and transition. So it's not the devil. It symbolizes the rising phases of life, rebirth and renewal, movement between endings and beginnings, the upward turn of fortune, Anubis being the guide between worlds reflects how change often I cannot read. Okay, hold on, hold on. It's okay. Let me start over. Anubis being the guide between worlds reflects how change often involves crossing thresholds in life.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Ooh, crossing thresholds that's being associated with You said it was death, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Death and transition. I feel like this is maybe what I needed to hear today. I know. I'm actually like, okay, this card's not as good. I don't think we were both like, okay, well, we're doing another tarot card episode. But I think this is actually good. I think it reminds me of like, okay, yeah, these this is actually fun to do. I like it. There's such a fear in our, maybe more so in Western culture of death and the finality of death and what death means. But in all the cards that we've explored, death is always, death is a part of the life cycle. And as a culture, we tend to want to turn away from that fact because death also sucks. You know, like the death of a person that you love, it's very final. But it is, I just think we have to remember it is part of cycle. All of all cycles, nothing lasts forever. Death is the one thing in life that is certain. But remembering, I just think it's important to remember as we're talking about transition. With any transition, with any crossing of the threshold, there is death. Like it is always present. It is the one thing that is certain. And death is in everything, right? Death isn't just uh a like something that happens to us mortals, but death con death is just a part of any cycle. And I think that we have to practice or learn how to have some acceptance around that.

Memento Mori And Valuing Today

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Absolutely. There was, let me look it up really quick because I'm gonna absolutely mess it up. Okay. So this quote is from the Joker. Have you seen it? Do you know?

SPEAKER_00 22:43

I mean, I know what you're talking about, but I don't know if I've seen it all the way through. You n you know me in a movie reference, right? I've it's come across like my algorithm.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Okay. So I've not watched the movies in social. No, I know. But um it's it says when we understand that each day isn't one more day, but one less, we'll start giving more value to the things that truly matter. Which um you were saying like it's it's a part of everything. Yes. It's not something we can get away from, it's not something that we can avoid. And I think even too, when we look back and like reflect on ourselves who I was as a person like five, ten years ago, there are some aspects of her that I miss. But like I'm grateful for where I am now. Same. Like for what I've learned. There are some times when I find myself like a memory will come up, and I was like, wow, that was so like why did I say that? Why did I do that? That was so stupid. Like, and I can I can judge my past self, but then I think about too, like, she didn't know what I know now. Yeah. And I think coming back to the constant of change, yes, death is a part of that.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

Your quote from The Joker reminds me, have you heard of Memento Mori? So Memento Mori, what culture does it even come from? Does it come from Latin culture? It's in a book I've read in the last couple years. Oh, it comes from ancient Roman culture. The Latin phrase. Yes, a Latin phrase translates to remember that you die, also remember that you must die, originates from ancient Roman culture. It was famously used during triumphal parades, where a servant would whisper the phrase to a victorious general to prevent hubris, reminding them of their mortality, despite their godlike status that day. I didn't know that. I love that. That gave me chills. Okay, let me read that one more time because that's really good. Okay, hold on. It was famously used during triumphal parades where a servant would whisper the phrase to a victorious general to prevent hubris, reminding them of their mortality despite their godlike status that day. I love that. We all die, right? Like that is the that is the string that connects us all. Um and it's memento mori is now meant to be like a grounding kind of thing. Like a bring you back to like a bring you back to the present, a bring you back to I think it's very much something that I would classify as like people who practice Memento Mori really are practicing acceptance of the present and acceptance around death. Um, I've seen it now. There's lots of, there's like things that you can buy, or I had an app on my phone at one point that just had like a little, it was just like little circles and just kind of showed me like each day I think a new circle would be like blacked out. And at one point I was like, you know what? I don't want this on my phone anymore because I don't like it. But I do think it's a beautiful practice, and I think that that the phase is something beautiful to remember. I like that. Like, no, it's one less day, which should, you know, on one side, maybe there's anxiety there, but on another side, I hope that would give us some encouragement to really live each day to our fullest. It also just makes me think about myself, and I'm really trying to make a practice of not stressing out about stupid things. Like I Miranda and I were talking before this about just like some of our stressors around like work and trying to balance being a mom and also having like career goals and wanting to do all the things. And I was just talking about some of the stress that I feel attached to work, and it's like who cares? You know, like I it's all fake. That's how it feels. Yeah. Okay, anything else you want to say on that one?

SPEAKER_01 27:34

I think the color red stands out for this figure in particular. I think historically red is a symbol of passion. Yeah. It's interesting that passion would be associated with death. That's kind of interesting. Yeah. It's like the only color that I mean it's blue, gray, yellow, and black, but the red really stands out.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

Mm-hmm.

The Sphinx Sword And Trauma Intuition

SPEAKER_00 28:00

This is the one figure that is like bright red. Okay. The Sphinx at the top, um, holding a sword, like I said, the Sphinx is a mythological guardian known for riddles and wisdom, symbolizes higher knowledge, balance between opposing forces, awareness during life's changes, and the mystery of fate. The sword represents clarity and truth. While the wheel spins beneath it, the sphinx remains calm, suggesting that wisdom comes from I don't know what is with me in reading today. It's like okay, we're gonna while the wheel spins beneath it, the Sphinx remains calm, suggesting that wisdom comes from observing the cycles rather than fighting them. I like that. So while the Sphinx is sitting at the top of this wheel turning, like he's just there's symbolism in him just holding the sword. Like he's not using the sword to fight, he's just holding on to the sword. Like he's not fighting anything.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

So then what is the sword used for?

unknown 29:08

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Maybe he's gonna need to fight at some point. I think the symbol, like I think this what the symbolism is, is I think that there like it's very natural for everyone to want to fight. I think that him holding the sword shows he could fight, he's ready to fight, but he's holding back. Because I think that whenever there's transition or crossing of a threshold, there's always a little bit of anxiety, there's always a tendency to want to fight it. Because I think when we're going through transition, it can feel very unnerving, it can feel very unnatural. So I think that him holding the sword is like that is there. Like that will to want to fight it is there. But we see like he's just withholding that.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Yeah. I think probably too, in in like the more figuratively sense, like any it probably is just another aspect of like the wisdom that it takes to. I was just thinking of any any historical figure that's ever held a sword does so in the name of protection, right? But knowing when to use that, I think differentiates between a good leader or yeah, a wise one, one who's seen many things and knows when it's appropriate to actually use it.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

Yeah. I'm thinking about if this card represents kind of transition, with transition, there usually comes like traveling into the unknown. And like maybe being prepared to fight is normal. But asking ourselves, do we have to? I'm thinking about with when we've experienced trauma, how there's often like maybe a tendency to pull out that sword quicker than maybe we actually need it, right? Learning how to have balance between like I can fight, but is this actually a moment that requires it? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

Well, it came up the other day that like are or is trauma response and intuition two sides of the same coin. And learning how to like differentiate between the two and how difficult and challenging that can be.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

Yeah. I often think too that like our intuition gets clouded by trauma too. Like trauma response.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

And also, I mean, I think in some certain situations, like your intuition is trying to tell you that there's danger. Which I think then turns into trauma response, maybe when we don't listen to it. Yeah. When we learn to ignore it, override it. Yeah. Make it quiet.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Or at some point in our life too, our intuition could have become something difficult for us to listen to if it was constantly kind of dismissed by our caregivers or I wanted to look at what does the number 10 mean in terms of wheel of fortune?

SPEAKER_01 32:32

My brain fog is really starting to show.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

So the wheel of fortune, the card number is number 10. And as with most of the tarot cards, that does carry a meaning. So number 10 is the symbol behind that is kind of the completion of a cycle and the beginning of a new one. In numerology within the tarot, number one through nine represents the progression of a journey, and 10 represents the culmination or turning point of that journey. The wheel of fortune being card 10 reflects the moment when something has run its course and the wheel turns into the next phase. It's the point where a pattern may complete itself, lessons reach their peak, life begins shifting into the next chapter. And the number 10 is also interpreted as one plus zero. One, beginnings, initiative, new energy, zero, potential, the infinite, the unknown. Together it can symbolize a reset point, the end of one cycle, immediately giving birth to another.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

That's what kind of popped up for me as you were explaining the numerology was if it's a turning point in a transition, it starts over, doesn't it? Yeah, okay. From one to zero being the fool, right? Yes. The fool was zero.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's cool. It says before the wheel in the major arcana story, the first half of the journey is all about personal development. The fool learns about identity, structure, relationships, and power. That's yeah, that's cool. I didn't really think about that. Like all of the first kind of nine cards have all been about like the mother, the queen, the king, the mother, the father, the emperor, the empress, the not the queen and the king, it's the emperor and the empress. And all these different relationships, like our relationship to spirituality, our relationship to our intuition, our which is interesting and will be interesting to see as we continue our major arcana. What is this series? I guess. Um, to see where that then leads after number 10. I feel like it gets into maybe values. I think so. Cause like strength and death is part of it too. I know. Yep. The lover. No, we already did the lovers, which again back to relationships. But then, like, I know the moon. I'm really excited to talk about the moon. The moon, the sun, the world. It does say the journey after the wheel becomes more about inner strength, perspective, surrender, and transformation. In a life sense, 10 often shows up as turning points, fate-like events, timing shifts, the sense that something bigger than you is moving things along. It reflects the realization that life is not purely linear, it continues to move in a cycle. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

I feel like we talked a little bit about how this card fits into like just different life contexts or different life circumstances. Career choices or career choices.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

I was looking at the motherhood stuff to see.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

I'm in the thick of that one right now.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Absolutely. I'm sure you are too. This again, connecting us back to just like some therapy themes, back to uncertainty. Healing in therapy is kind of learning how to stay grounded and become more Sphinx-like, I would say, as we learn to tolerate the uncertainty of crossing of thresholds of transition, etc.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

unknown 36:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

How to like stand at the center of it all and truly just take it in. I mean, back to the Joker quote, like, it's not one more day, it's one less day. Yeah. And although it might be uncomfortable and you might feel stuck, I mean it is part of the process.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

Yeah, and how do we continue to stay grounded amidst it all?

unknown 36:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Sometimes it's not easy. Yeah. Anything else to say on the Wheel of Fortune? Do we feel good about it?

SPEAKER_01 37:09

It feels good.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Well, I think we're gonna wrap up our Wheel of Fortune episode here.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Thank you so much for listening. If you have any thoughts, comments, questions, please check out our Google form on our it's linked in our bio on a couple of different places. It's TikTok. Yeah. And then we are just so excited for some upcoming guest episodes.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

So stay tuned for those. Yes, I'm in talks with some people. Thanks for listening, and we will catch you next time. Bye. Bye.